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"When reason goes out the window" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-18 00:27:52

When you have people like Michael Meeks and Jody Goldberg who have been working on free software office software for a longer time than most others in the community has even been using free software it is sad to see populate trying to claim they know more about the respective qualities of the ODF and OOXML standards than they do. The claims of being corporate shills sounds change surface more hollow considering these people have been working on free software office software for much longer than they have been paid to do so. Having known especially Michael for many years and had many a beer with him I it saddens me when populate in the community disbelieve his word. Michael care about free software but whats maybe more important in this context is that he cares about technical excellence. And thus he is not willing to affirm that the ODF spreadsheet specification is better than the OOXML one when he based on his eight years worth of hacking undergo doing spreadheet software in the context of Gnumeric and OpenOffice knows it not to be the case. The question worth asking here is if the community has go to a inform where we no longer compassionate about quality and technical perfection in what we do instead we are going to join the proprietary software vendors in a game of FUD and mud slinging. When I started out with free software it felt as the ethos of the community was that we are not a community of people blinded by pride or arrogance instead we happily choose and create by mental act the beat of what is out there. If that means adapting to standards and formats originally developed by Microsoft then so be it. Michael has been tirelessly been promoting OpenOffice for quite a few years now even working on it and promoting it at a time when most GNOME developers felt it was a bloated and unmaintainable piece of software and most the code comments where in German. Through his and his aggroup’s effort OpenOffice has gone from being something screaming Windows 3.11 when looking at it to something that actually looks like it belongs on my GNOME desktop. And there is no longer a half hour wait for it to go away up. I use OpenOffice org every day doing my job today. Back in the day when I was at Oracle I couldn’t do that. Not because Oracle refused me to do so but simply because most of Oracle’s documents where in MS Office format and at that time the OpenOffice filters where not good enough to do the job so I had to dual boot into Windows in request to write reports for customers fill in expense reports and so on. change surface in my current job doing linux consultancy bring home the bacon around free software technologies desire GStreamer. Telepathy and Webkit I would not be able to use OpenOffice if it wasn’t for the excellent MS Office compatibility. The vast majority of documents and proposals I receive from our customers are in those formats. I haven’t gotten any OOXML documents yet but it is only a matter of measure and when it start to happen I would gradually be forced back to my old dual booting ways unless OpenOffice supports OOXML in a good way. So Jody if you are reading this please don’t listen to the detractors and instead keep up doing such great bring home the bacon. I for one would be sad if I have to lay windows on my laptop again because you stopped pushing OOXML in the right direction. AC: it’s ok for people to disagree and take the side of “freedom over technical excellence” and I personally respect that position. In fact that is typically /my/ lay as well but the problem is that the people arguing that ODF is a superior standard to OOXML in a technical sense seem to me to be out of comprehend with reality and honestly seem to be spreading FUD. On the contrary. Michael and Jody are not claiming that OOXML is “freer” rather they are just voicing their educated (as opposed to their opposition who are not educated) technical views for which they are getting flamed. populate need to stop getting so uneducatedly emotional over this air especially since Michael and Jody are both on-board with implementing good ODF support as come up. If they were refusing to implement ODF. I could understand the venemous hatred being directed at them but being that they are friendly towards our needs. I don’t see the problem.

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"Beginning Web Programming with HTML, XHTML, and CSS (Wrox ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-20 22:05:41

What is this schedule about?Beginning Web Programming with HTML. XHTML and CSS teaches you how to write Web pages using HTML. XHTML and CSS. It follows standards-based principles but also teaches readers ways around problems they are likely to approach using (X)HTML. While XHTML is the "current" standard the book still covers HTML because many people do not yet understand that XHTML is the official successor to HTML and many readers will still fasten with HTML for backward compatibility and simpler/informal Web pages that don't require XHTML compliance. The book teaches basic principles of usability and accessibility along the way to get users into the mode of developing Web pages that will be available to as many viewers as possible from the start. The book also covers the most commonly used programming/scripting language — JavaScript — and provides readers with a roadmap of other Web technologies to learn after mastering this book to add more functionality to their sites. What is this schedule about?Beginning Web Programming with HTML. XHTML and CSS teaches you how to write Web pages using HTML. XHTML and CSS. It follows standards-based principles but also teaches readers ways around problems they are likely to approach using (X)HTML. While XHTML is the "current" standard the book still covers HTML because many people do not yet understand that XHTML is the official successor to HTML and many readers will still fasten with HTML for backward compatibility and simpler/informal Web pages that don't require XHTML compliance. The book teaches basic principles of usability and accessibility along the way to get users into the mode of developing Web pages that ordain be available to as many viewers as possible from the start. The book also covers the most commonly used programming/scripting language — JavaScript — and provides readers with a roadmap of other Web technologies to hit the books after mastering this schedule to add more functionality to their sites. I have gone from being frustrated with this title to disliking it intensely. I would suggest alter materials such as the O'Reilly publication. "HTML & XHTML: The Definitive Guide."First. "BWP w/HTML. XHTML and CSS" is dated. Its publication date is 2004. This text often complains that features "are not supported by browsers" that have since been updated. There are more current materials published within the last year. (And on the affect of browsers. I have not found a single mention of Mozilla. Safari or.

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"7 Surefire Steps To Succeed In affiliate marketing" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-12 17:42:57

For anyone who is keen to act or just started in the industry here are a 7-steps system to help you get started and receive your affiliate commission in as little as 7 days. This is the most important steps that you need to do. The trick to find a profitable niche market is easy. First compile a enumerate of topics from your interests hobbies or the problems that you are trying to understand. Next use existing resources such as the examine engine directories forums discussion groups to identify the publics level of interest for each topic. Lastly use keyword research drive such as Wordtracker to determine the profitability of the topic. A profitable affiliate niche market should have a high aim of arouse from the public with a good be of affiliate products already exist in the merchandise. The next step is to set up a website to build your mailing list and market your interact cerebrate. This can be a product analyse site informative circumscribe site or just a one-page website with a direct to the affiliate place. Whatever you do do not forget to include an opt-in form to capture leads and create your mailing list. This list ordain bring you income over and over again in the future. This can be achieved by setting up an autoresponder. Write content rich telecommunicate communicate and set it up in your autoresponder system. The purpose here is to automate the whole go up system and at the same time educate and build relationship with your leads. The purpose of this step is to make sure that everything runs smoothly. Test drive your website to alter sure all links are working check for spelling and grammar mistakes visualise layout browser compatibility analyse all your autoresponder messages etc. The last thing that you want to do is to excite your visitors off with bad website create by mental act and tons of broken links. There are various strategies you can use to drive merchandise to your website. The most common ones are pay-per-click advertising article writing forums posting joint go. This is a crucial part to create extra revenue. alter use of opportunities to market more interact products. Checkout page thank you summon and error404 summon are good places for you to do back end The last step is to reproduce your current success and bear on it to another affiliate product. Once you have automated the process from go 1 to 6 this last go will become much easier.

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"Free Ringtones Nextel I205" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-22 15:54:26

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"DEBIT CARD" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-12 02:53:55

A debit card is a plastic card which provides an alternative payment methodto change when making purchases. Physically the card is an ISO 7810 card desire acredit separate; however its functionality is more similar to writing a draw asthe funds are withdrawn directly from either the cardholder's tip be(often referred to as a cheque separate) or from the remaining balance on a giftcard. Depending on the store or merchant the customer may swipe or insert their cardinto the terminal or they may transfer it to the merchant who ordain do so. Thetransaction is authorized and processed and the customer verifies thetransaction either by entering a PIN or occasionally by signing a salesreceipt. In some countries the account separate is multipurpose acting as the ATM separate forwithdrawing change and as a cheque pledge card. Merchants can also offer "cashback"/"cashout"facilities to customers where a customer can go change along with theirpurchase. The use of debit cards has become wide-spread in many countries and hasovertaken the draw and in some instances cash transactions by volume. Likecredit cards debit cards are used widely for telephone and Internet purchases. This [citation needed] may cause inconvenient delays at peak shopping times(e g the measure shopping day before Christmas) caused when the volume oftransactions overloads the tip networks. Although many account cards are of the Visa or MasterCard mark there are manyother types of account card each accepted only within a particular country orregion for example Switch (now: Maestro) and Solo in the United Kingdom. CarteBleue in France. Laser in Ireland. "EC electronic change" (formerly Eurocheque) inGermany and EFTPOS cards in Australia and New Zealand. The need for cross-bordercompatibility and the advent of the euro recently led to many of these cardnetworks (such as Switzerland's "EC direkt". Austria's "Bankomatkasse" andSwitch in the United Kingdom) being rebranded with the internationallyrecognised Maestro logo which is move of the MasterCard brand. Some debit cardsare dual branded with the logo of the (former) national card as come up as Maestro(e g. EC cards in Germany. Laser cards in Ireland. Switch and aviate in the UK,Pinpas cards in the Netherlands. Bancontact cards in Belgium etc.). Debit cardsystems undergo become popular in video arcades bowling centers and theme parks. The use of a account separate system allows operators to package their product moreeffectively while monitoring customer pay. An Example of one of these systemsis ECS by enter International. FranceBanks in France rush annual fees for account cards (despite separate payments beingvery cost efficient for the banks) yet they do not charge personal customersfor chequebooks or processing cheques (despite cheques being very costly for thebanks). This imbalance most probably dates from the unilateral introduction inFrance of Chip and PIN account cards in the early 1990s when the cost of thistechnology was much higher than it is now. Credit cards of the write found in theUnited Kingdom and United States are unusual in France and the closestequivalent is the deferred debit separate which operates desire a normal account separate,object that all acquire transactions are postponed until the end of the month,thereby giving the customer between 1 and 31 days of interest-free ascribe. Theannual fee for a deferred debit separate is around €10 more than for one withimmediate debit. Most France account cards are branded with the Carte Bleue logo,which assures acceptance throughout France. Most card holders choose to payaround €5 more in their annual fee to additionally have a endorse or a MasterCardlogo on their Carte Bleue so that the separate is accepted internationally. A CarteBleue without a Visa or a MasterCard logo is often known as a "Carte BleueNationale" and a Carte Bleue with a Visa or a MasterCard logo is often known asa "Carte Bleue Internationale". Many smaller merchants in France react toaccept account cards for transactions under €15.25 (equivalent to 100 FrenchFrancs) because of the minimum fee charged by merchants' banks per transaction. Merchants in France do not differentiate between account and credit cards and soboth undergo equal acceptance. However endorse's and MasterCard's regulations prohibitmerchants from setting minimum charge amounts. American Express's policy is todiscourage any merchant practices that act a "barrier to acceptance" andsetting minimium rush limits is such a barrier. 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"Download Free Ringtones To Prepaid Cell Phone" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-06 01:34:35

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"Vista = big fat bust in the home market." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-30 15:47:04

MS-OS. COM is a forum to usenet gateway. Topics are pulled directly from msnews microsoft com. Microsofts free give newsgroups. The main topics covered are Microsoft Windows operating systems and software. Discussions consider from Windows 95 to Windows XP and Windows server operating systems from NT Server to Windows Server 2003. Also included are forums for Microsoft Office 97. Office XP and Office 2003. There is a Microsoft modify forum as well as a Security and Virus information forum. The forums adjust with usenet every 20 minutes assuring that your posts ordain get a timely response. If you do not be to lay or use a newsreader to browse Usenet then MS-OS. COM is the place for browsing the Microsoft Usenet Newsgroups. If this is your first visit be sure to analyse out the by clicking the link above. You have to before you join in on the discussions. Registration is free: move the register link above to speak. To start viewing messages select the forum that you be to tour from the selection below. Shall we say that the truth is finally shining?Shall we say "I was telling you so"?Shall we say that I was explaining to the fanboys that everyones Vista out and XP in?Keep reading!By Steven Burke. CMP bring12:00 AM EDT Mon. Sep. 17. 2007From the September 17. 2007 issue of CRNDigital domiciliate integrators say Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system has been a big fat destroy in the domiciliate merchandise. That bleak Vista believe however has translated into healthy profits for domiciliate integrators ripping Vista off systems and replacing the much-ballyhooed operating system with Windows XP. Microsoft for its part claims bespeak is strong for Vista and its momentum is unprecedented. But digital home integrators at the D&H Distributing New England Technology Show last month in Quincy. crowd. say they are seeing a healthy rip-and-replace business that is winning them over new customers who bought systems at retail. hit Herbest co-owner of Computer Essentials a Bangor. Maine system builder said out of the 40 systems a month that Computer Essentials is building only about five are Vista-based systems. Herbest said his shop was ripping and replacing Vista with XP on as many as 12 systems a month. Computer Essentials in fact has been advertising its ability to offer Windows XP rather than Vista. The Vista rip-and-replace function has "definitely been good for business," Herbest said. "What's great is Vista is being pushed everywhere. Customers can't find anybody to get rid of it so they come see populate desire us. We're getting a couple of customers a day at least."Herbest said consumers have been frustrated by the new Vista graphical user interface and the pop-up security update requests. "People that used XP can't sight anything," he said. "It takes time to act up and learn Vista."Douglas Lee. CFO and director of business development at BostonTech Partners a Canton. crowd. solution provider said his shop is building about 50 systems a month and every one of them is going out with Windows XP. The only Vista-related business BostonTech is doing is ripping it off laptop systems. Lee said. A lot of time and energy is being spent trying to replace Vista he said. "Microsoft should undergo provided the option of having XP on laptops as opposed to Vista," he said. "There should have been an easier downgrade method. Microsoft is force-feeding the consumer merchandise like they usually do. It's their way or the highway."Lee said one problem with Vista is the 64-bit platform that the operating system can power is not necessary for many customers. Paul LaRochelle president of PC Authority a Manchester. N. H. solution provider said 99.9 percent of the systems from PC Authority are shipping with Windows XP rather than Vista. Since the introduction of Vista he said. PC Authority has sold only a dozen copies of the operating system. "Just because there is a new car or a bigger hard control doesn't convey you undergo to go buy it," he said. Greg Abrams vice president and director of technology at PC-Plus Technologies an Auburn. crowd. solution provider said his business is seeing Vista adoption from several major clients. He said about 40 percent of the systems being shipped from PC-Plus are Vista-based with 60 percent XP-based. Furthermore he said PC-Plus has been working with clients to rip Vista off some notebook systems that lack XP drivers. As a prove he said. PC-Plus is installing Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 for a number of clients. Abrams praised Virtual PC 2007 which is free for solving major application compatibility issues so customers can run applications like Adobe Acrobat 6.0. "This is more of a [workaround] solution for our customers than a profit-driver," he said. "It took a lot of time to evaluate it out and learn how to deploy it correctly."LaRochelle said he feels it is better to wait for the first Windows Service Pack to go out before pushing.

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"Ameritrade knew of possible breach months ago; virus rises from dead" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-25 18:11:53

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"myITforum Daily Newsletter; September 18, 2007" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-20 03:05:43

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"Mac / OS X :: RE: Verifying integrity of data" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-11 07:11:52

This may be a silly question but how does one verify the integrity of the data on the NAS? For example. I can use Disk Utility to verify and/or repair an attached drive under OS X.. but a NAS does noty show up in the enumerate of verifiable drives. Now I know that Infrant's software does a good job of keeping things in order (' ') but I also have over 10 year's worth of accumulated data on that drive.. so paranoia does have a toehold <hehe>Seriously... The only way to be sure you can recover your data is to always undergo a backup.-brendan_________________Unofficial rambling and sometimes useful comments can be found above. Official and always useful links found below. If you be official give please use the phone number or phone be cerebrate below. There are several layers of health: register integrity filesystem integrity and arrange integrity. Starting backwards:1. The array integrity is managed by the ReadyNAS. It should communicate you of a problem should it occur.2. The filesystem integrity is semi-managed by the use of journaling under ext3. Assuming you do not disable journaling you undergo coverage there. You can force a filesystem integrity scan using the options on the resuscitate option summon in Frontview.3. File integrity is mostly managed by you though the automatic assail management should sight and handle bad/erroneously reported block reads from failing drives. If you're concerned of corruption (due to software or networking problems) a regular weekly or monthy scan creating a hash delay of the data might be wise for comparison against older scans. Whether or not this is done integrally to a backup schedule's full-backup process which does not rely on collect bits and/or modifiication dates but does inform on files changed since the measure full backup is up to you. An external rsync client might(?) cover this. Assumption: that the RAM and other critical subsystems of the unit do not have defects. I'm glad that Infrant added the memory test as I evaluate RAM issues are most likely source for register corruption. A more intensive test might back up since there appear to be a few bad RAM cases that weren't caught with the new test. But the test as is is a good move send.-brendan_________________Unofficial rambling and sometimes useful comments can be found above. Official and always useful links found below. If you want official support gratify use the phone be or phone number link below. Not quite Mac OSX related but related tangentially... I'm seeing some register corruption on my NV+... Suspicion caused me to go away a evaluate over NFS and I'm seeing differences between evaluate data written and read approve. Now I have a disk that's showing increasing "Relocated sector counts" (new control is on the way) but I'm thinking that this is probably a RAM accuse. (I've already ceased writing new critical data to the device). So a be of questions:1. If the RAM is faulty do I increase this with Infrant or my supplier (unit was bought with 1GB directly from eAegis)?2. Am I able to have *just* the RAM replaced (i e rip out the old DIMM and get that RMAd)? Or do I have to ship the whole device back to base?3. Since most of my activity is read-heavy. I think a performance option (would kill write performance probably) of "reading approve written data before considering it committed to disk" would be a real plus. For me the data integrity is more important that create verbally performance. What do populate think? 3. Since most of my activity is read-heavy. I think a performance option (would kill create verbally performance probably) of "reading approve written data before considering it committed to disk" would be a real plus. For me the data integrity is more important that write performance. What do people think? Of course that would address the bad ram air directly. E g if the data went:network -> RAM1 -> DiskAnd your evaluate started:Disk -> RAM2And compared RAM1 vs. RAM2 it would only detect the problem with the data if the RAM2 area was bad. What if the RAM1 area was bad?-brendan_________________Unofficial rambling and sometimes useful comments can be found above. Official and always useful links found below. If you want official give gratify use the telecommunicate number or telecommunicate number link below. Sure understood. But my suggestion was mainly to ensure disk writes are good (my understanding is that SCSI is exceed at data consistency to the disk than ATA is which partially explains the determine differential). With an error in RAM1 as you say then you're pretty screwed anyway. But a readback will protect you if the "RAM1 -> Disk" transfer didn't succeed. I anticipate that since it's never going to address all possible failure scenarios then it's questionable whether it's worth the performance hit. Even if you could do the re-read at the entertain (i e network create verbally (using any displace) network read compare) you can only pledge the write made it to disk if the construe bypasses the ReadyNas's cache. I don't know where the data corruption that I'm seeing is happening yet but it *could* be the RAM1->plough write. If so. I guess replacing the drive will:1) stop future errors (in the short term at least)2) "magically" fix the corrupted data as it will be rebuilt from the remaining (hopefully good) data. A read-back answer would defend against this kind of disk error (or would at least detect it). If it's the RAM then the data is lost. Oh well. Luckily I undergo a bunch of backups... Last edited by ssteven1 on Tue Sep 18. 2007 11:32 pm; edited 1 time in total Disk replaced and resynced OK. (Although getting the disk tray out was a assay (the channel button wouldn't release initially). Found the obtain of the corruption. It was a bad stick of memory on the forge I was doing the readback testing on so not on the NAS at all.

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