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A raíz de alguno de los comentarios que habéis ido haciendo en el anterior blog "Bla bla bla bla..." he considerado oportuno reseñar algunas de las cuestiones importantes (y preocupantes) relativas a determinadas reacciones que estoy observando (y seguro que muchos de vosotros también) en los últimos días en las últimas semanas alrededor del Real Zaragoza. Leo uno de esos comentarios que dice: "Anónimo dijo... Vamos buitre vamossssssss.¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡A por élllllll!!!!!!!!!!!Tengo unas ganas (y supongo que como yo. MILES) de que esto cambie para ver a qué isla se exilia el Paquito G. Ya veremos quién ríe el último majete. Ya veremos". back esto en un soporte como este te encuentras back el inconveniente de no saber a quién tienes que dirigirte realmente si quieres hacer alguna aclaración. Es complicado hablar hacia un anónimo aunque seguramente en una parte de tu imaginación seas capaz hasta de ponerle una cara o un talante. Superado ese gaje llegamos a la miga del asunto que os quiero contar para que otros que no tienen el cerebro tan retorcido y son capaces de ver la realidad con un tamiz más plot podáis situar las coordenadas del momento con mayor exactitud. COORDENADA NORTE: Como punto de partida considero un error gravísimo llevar el asunto del fútbol a un estadio guerrillero. Mala cosa. Este no es un ámbito que deba concluir en bandos en confrontaciones belicosas. Sin embargo en elementos como este atento anónimo ese enfoque (imbuido desde hace días desde algunas pedanías del club) ha calado. Es decir partimos el zaragocismo entre buenos y malos entre pros y contras entre conniventes y críticos. Y establecemos un conflicto para ver quién sale ganador al final. Desde dentro se busca el mensaje único y el que se salga del guión hay que señalarlo desprestigiarlo y finalmente lapidarlo. Es aquello que os explicaba un día del Kremlim y todo eso. Y desde las pedanías se adoptan discursos como es de este individuo anónimo: "Buitre tengo unas ganas de que cambie todo para....". ¿Para qué?. "Para ver a qué isla se exilia Paquito G.".¿Exilio? ¿Isla?. ¿Alguién tendrá que exiliarse algún día?. ¿Sabemos lo que decimos o realmente lo hacemos desde la ignorancia y la falta de rigor?Mirad. Aquí nadie se exiliará. Ni ningún Kremlim podrá establecer el discurso único. Ni habrá una guerra civil zaragocista con vencedores y vencidos. Simplemente porque si alguien está intentando llevar el momento actual del Zaragoza a esos terrenos no va a conseguir pelear a esos niveles. Aquí cada uno debe cumplir escrupulosamente con su papel y hay gente que no lo está haciendo. (¿os acordáis de aquello del cambio de roles que siempre acaba mal?). Accionista. Presidente. Director Deportivo. Secretario Técnico. Entrenador. Jugadores. Forofos. Periodistas. Agentes de Futbolistas... Todo eso lo escribí para que supieséis por dónde vienen los tiros de muchas cosas que están pasando. Y en lo que me toca os aseguro que el rol que me corresponde -en lo particular y también dentro del medio en el que trabajo. HERALDO DE ARAGÓN- se cumple con cristalina profesionalidad. La prensa tiene el deber de informar opinar y entretener. Todo con honestidad con rigor con datos sin prejuicios ni sometimientos. Y en eso estamos. examineá si alguien no considera que esto sea así dependa directamente de sus coordenadas del lugar donde él esté ubicado. Pero no del mío o del nuestro. COORDENADA SUR: cut otro anónimo comunicante: "Paco Gimenez se estaba frotando las manos cuando metió gol el Pontevedra sólo de pensar en la candela que le daría al entrenador én la crónica. La objetividad total no existe pero en el caso de este señor hacia Victor es algo tendencioso siempre tiene que ir a por él. Supongo que sus razones cainitas tendrá pero que a nadie le quepa ninguna duda que esas razones tendrán que ver con alguna cuenta pendiente que tenga con Victor. Gimenez deja de dar leña al entrenador y reparte a todos. Pq está situación tiene más culpables que uno. Y aqui parece que tenemos las escopetas cargando contra una sola cabeza y la culpa es colectiva"Siento que se sigan llevando las cosas al idioma guerrillero belicoso y mafioso. ¿Razones cainitas?. ¿Cuentas pendientes?. ¿Escopetas cargadas?. ¡Qué barbaridad!. Sería conveniente una revisión por parte de este ciudadano (y quienes piensen como él) de lo que es el mecanismo prensa-entrenador (o cualquier otro protagonista de ámbito público). Hacer periodismo es establecer una relación permanente de análisis narración evaluación y opinión sobre la actualidad de lo que sea en este caso el fútbol y el Real Zaragoza. Y cuando los resultados no son buenos o se producen fracasos estrepitosos el alter de esa actualidad es inevitablemente mucho más oscuro que claro. (¿A que el año pasado todo fue distinto querido amigo?). Y si existe la libertad no hay nada ni nadie intocable. Con respeto con seridad pero todo es abordable. Es lo que requiere la propia ciudadanía hacia quien se dirige la fight de los medios de comunicación. Y para no alargar esta explicación mucho más (que ya vale) solo un dato sobre el frotamiento de las manos tras el gol del Pontevedra: Mal periodista será el que sienta regocijo por un error o un mal ocurrido en el ámbito propio para obtener un beneficio editorial o ideológico. El periodista ha de ser contador de cosas no manipulador de las cosas. Ah. Y si realmente alguien piensa que yo en primera persona puedo llegar alguna vez en mi vida a alegrarme por un gol encajado por el Real Zaragoza aunque sea en un amistoso de verano es que no tiene ni un milímetro de conocimiento sobre mi persona. Estimado anónimo llevo viendo partidos de mi equipo desde que tenía 6 años en 1971. No solo en La Romareda. Tuve y tengo la suerte de tener un padre amante de este deporte que cada año sacaba dinero de su hucha para irnos a ver un par de partidos fuera. Desde mi casa en el pueblo solíamos ir a ver al equipo al Camp Nou a Sarriá al Bernabéu al Calderón a San Mamés a Atocha; más tarde a El Sadar a las Gaunas; partidos de Copa del Rey a Tudela. Arnedo. Calahorra. Huesca. Andorra... Así sucesivamente desde la infancia pasando por la adolescencia hasta llegar a la juventud más forofa. Pero desde los 23 años manda la profesión de periodista que exige dejar el rol de hincha colgado en el armario junto a la bufanda blanquiazul de lana que me hizo mi madre el gorro blanco con la bola azul y las ganas de gritar al árbitro y los rivales en muchas acciones de cada partido. ¿Tú crees que doy el perfil de ser alguien capaz de alegrarse porque un equipo de Segunda B le marque un gol y tumbe al Real Zaragoza 1-0 de manera impensada?No os confundáis. Tened clara esta premisa matemática: Víctor Fernández NO ES IGUAL a Real Zaragoza. Agapito (o Bandrés o Pardeza o Herrera o cualquier jugador actual) NO ES IGUAL a Real Zaragoza. Ellos como los anteriores cargos y profesionales del club han llegado están y se marcharán. Como todos los que han pasado por ahí desde hace 75 años. Informar sobre ellos opinar sobre su gestión o fight es solo eso hacerlo sobre su labor. NO SOBRE EL REAL ZARAGOZA institución que les supera en rango que está muy por encima de todos ellos y que a mí (y a mi medio) realmente es la que me preocupa tanto en su presente como en un futuro. Por lo tanto.

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Me encontraba en amable compañía. Venus estaba frente a mí sentada ante una gran chimenea Renacimiento. Esta Venus no era una mujer galante de las que —como Cleopatra— combatieron bajo ese nombre al sexo enemigo. No; era la diosa del amor en persona. Recostada en una butaca removía el fuego chispeante que enrojecía la palidez de su rostro y los menudos pies que acercaba a la llama de vez en cuando. A pesar de su mirada de estatua tenía una cabeza admirable que era cuanto yo veía de ella. Su divino cuerpo marmóreo le cubría un gran abrigo de pieles en el cual se envolvía como una gata friolera.—No comprendo señora —dije—. En realidad no hace frío; hace ya dos semanas que llevamos una encantadora primavera. Estará usted nerviosa sin duda.—Buena está la dichosa primavera —opposeó con voz opaca estornudando después de una manera deliciosa—. No puedo apenas sostenerme y comienzo a comprender...—¿Qué gracia mía?—Comienzo a creer en lo inverosímil y a comprender lo incomprensible. Comprendo ahora la virtud de los alemanes y su filosofía y no me asombra que ustedes en el Norte no sepan amar sin que parezcan dudar siquiera de lo que es el amor.—Permitidme señora —repliqué con viveza—. Nunca le he furnish a usted ningúnmotivo. La divina criatura estornudó por tercera vez y levantó los hombros con una gracia inimitable. Luego dijo:—Por esto soy siempre graciosa para usted y hasta le busco de tiempo en tiempo aunque me enfríe cada vez a pesar de todas mis pieles. ¿Te acuerdas aún de nuestro primer encuentro?—¿Podré olvidarle? Teníais espesos bucles pardos ojos negros boca de coral... Os reconocí en los rasgos de la cara y en la palidez de mármol. Llevabais siempre una chaqueta de terciopelo azul violeta guarnecida de piel de ardilla.—Sí; ¡qué encaprichado estabas con aquel vestido y cuan dócil eras!—Vos me enseñasteis lo que es el amor y el culto divino que os consagraba me transportaba dos mil años atrás.—¿Y no te guardé fidelidad sin ejemplo? —Ahora se trata de eso.—¡Ingrato!—No quiero hacer ningún reproche. Habéis sido una mujer divina pero siempre mujer y en amor cruel como todas.—Es que tú llamas cruel —replicó con viveza la diosa de amor— lo que constituye precisamente el elemento de la voluptuosidad el amor puro la naturaleza misma de la mujer de entregarse a lo que ama y de amar lo que le displace.—¿Qué puede haber más cruel para quien ama que la infidelidad del ser amado?—¡Ay! —opposeó—. Somos fieles en tanto que amamos; pero vosotros exigís que la mujer sea fiel sin amor que se entregue sin goce. ¿Dónde está ahora la crueldad en el hombre o en la mujer? Las gentes del Norte concedéis demasiada importancia y seriedad al amor. Habláis de deberes donde no hay otra cosa que placer.—Sí señora. Tenemos sobre ese punto sentimientos respetables y recomendables y además sólidas razones.—Y siempre la curiosidad eternamente despierta y eternamente insaciada de las desnudeces del paganismo; pero el amor que es la mayor alegría la pureza divina misma eso no les conviene a ustedes los modernos hijos de la reflexión. Les sienta mal. En cuanto se hacen ustedes naturales se ponen groseros. La naturaleza les parece una cosa hostil y hacen de nosotras rientes genios de los dioses griegos de mí misma un demonio. Podéis desterrarme maldecirme hasta inmolarme al pie de mi altar en un acceso báquico; pero alguno de vosotros habrá tenido el valor de besar mis labios purpurinos. Vaya por esto peregrino a Roma descalzo con cilicio esperando que su bastón florezca mientras que a mis pies surgen a cada instante rosas mirtos y violetas que no dan su perfume para ustedes. Quedaos en vuestras nieblas hiperbóreas entre vuestro incienso cristiano y dejadnos reposar bajo la lava no nos desenterréis no. Pompeya nuestras villas nuestros baños nuestro templo no se hicieron para ustedes. ¡Ni siquiera necesitáis dioses! ¡Nos helamos en vuestro mundo!La hermosa dama de mármol tosió y levantó sobre sus hombros la oscura piel de cebellina.—Gracias por su lección clásica contesté—; pero no me negaréis que así en vuestro mundo lleno de sol como en nuestro brumoso país el hombre y la mujer son enemigos por naturaleza con los cuales el amor hace durante cierto tiempo un solo y mismo ser capaz de un? misma concepción de una misma sensación de una misma voluntad para desunirlos luego más y que —y esto lo sabéis vos mejor que yo— el que no sepa sojuzgar al uno será pronto pisoteado por el otro.—Y lo que usted sabe mejor que yo —contestó doña Venus con arrogante tono de desprecio— es que el hombre está bajo los pies de la mujer.—Seguramente y de aquí no me haga ninguna ilusión.—Lo que quiere decir que sois siempre mi esclavo sin ilusión por lo cual no tendréyo misericordia.—¡Señora!—¿No me conocéis aún? Sí soy cruel; ya que tanto te gusta esa palabra. ¿Pero no tengo derecho para serlo? El hombre es el que solicita la mujer es lo solicitado. Esta es su ventaja única pero decisiva. La naturaleza la entrega al hombre por la pasión que le inspira y la mujer que no hace del hombre su súbdito su esclavo. ¿qué digo? su juguete y que no le traiciona riendo es una loca.—¡Buenos principios hermosa señora! —repliqué indignado.—Descansan sobre diez siglos de experiencia —dijo ella en tono removeón mientrasen la sombría piel jugaban sus dedos blancos—. Cuanto más fácilmente se entrega la mujer,más frío e imperioso es el hombre. Pero cuanto más cruel e infiel le es cuanto más juega de una manera criminal cuanta menos piedad le demuestra más excita sus deseos más la ama y la desea. Siempre ha sido así desde la bella Helena y Dalila hasta las dos Catalinas y Lola Montes.—No puedo dejar de convenir —opposeé— que nada puede excitar más que la imagen de una déspota bella voluptuosa y cruel arrogante favorita despiadada por capricho.—Y que además lleve pieles —añadió la diosa.—¿Por qué preserveáis eso?—Conozco tus gustos.—¿Sabe usted que desde que no nos vemos se ha hecho usted una magnífica coqueta?—¿Queréis decirme por qué?—Porque no puede haber más deliciosa locura que la de envolver vuestro delicado cuerpo en una piel tan sombría. La diosa sonrió.—Usted sueña —exclamó—. ¡Despiértese! —con su mano de mármol me cogió por el brazo—. ¡Despierte! —volvió a murmurar rudamente. abscondé los ojos con pena. Vi la mano que me tocaba pero la mano era de color de bronce y la voz. áspera de bebedor de aguardiente era la de mi antiguo cosaco que con toda su talla de cerca de seis pies se levantaba ante mí.—Levántese usted —seguía diciendo el buen hombre—. Es una verdadera vergüenza.—¿El qué?—Dormirse vestido con un libro al lado —apagó las bujías casi consumidas y recogió el volumen caído— con un libro —askó la cubierta— de Hegel. Además es hora de ir a casa de don Severino que nos espera para el té.—¡Extraño sueño! —dijo Severino cuando acabé—. Descansó.

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Welcome to the MartialTalk. Com forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you ordain have access to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) respond to polls upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so gratify. ! If you have any problems with the registration affect or your account login please communicate. FMA From Around the Web A selection of FMA topics from around the internet. Balintawak. Modern Arnis. Lameco. Sikaran and more. This forum contains a some of the topics from there. Members can reply here follow the links over and say there or both! The Wonders of KaliBy GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr - Wed. 29 Aug 2007 12:20:57 GMTOriginally Posted at: FMATalk====================FMA is not about Kali. Arnis or Escrima. FMA is grow. It is the art behind the art. It is discipline a philosophy it is customs and traditions it is an ideology it is healing it is metaphysics it is not religion or cultism. What makes the Filipinos blend to the world of civilization. 40 years ago if you are in the mainland USA and you happened to cater someone and you told him or her that you are from the Philippines the first question was where is that place we never heard of it. First Philippines is a third world country. Philippines is not as popular as Hawaii or China but a move of 7,100 Islands not until the Filipinos migrated to the US and to Europe because there was a need of skilled workers and professionals. What made the filipinos a major player in the handle of Medicine. Maritime. Engineering art and culture music and beauty of women.?What made the Philippines chosen by the United States as the best strategic Islands in the Pacific as the fortress of the US airforce and Naval forces in the Pacific. What made the United States businessmen invested their fortune in the Philippines that controlled 51% of all investments more in the technology and food industries. What made other countries invest heavily in the Philippines in the mining industry cyber technology trading and others. What made the Philippines today as one of the fruit baskets of Asia. Philippines is the only Christianize Country in Asia. 98% are all English Speaking filipinos. 98% are mostly educated,there are colleges and Universities in the Philippines compared to other Asian Country. All of these were attributed to the Cultural discipline known as Kali :A. Kali as a Philosophy of the early forefathers\1. They accept in life they don't believe in death2. They believe in success they don't believe in failures3. They believe in good health they don't accept in sicknessB. Kali as a word of respect as affix Ka-meaning Sir your Highness or Excellency or your honor your majesty. C. KA as in the Filipino alphabets A BA KA DA D. KALI as a prefix :Kalipayan-happiness. Kalisud sadness or kalibutan as the world ,etc. E. Kali as a landmark: Kalibo in Panay Kalinga Apayao as in the far North of LuzonF. Kali as used as Katipunan K K K as a symbol of the revolutions. Kali as a sacred art of the filipino fighting grow.------------------------------------FMATalk com Post Bot - FMA Feed or your scheduled tasks ordain cease to function -->All content copyright 2001-2007 Martialtalk com - All Rights Reserved. Ownership of Posts - All posts and content become the property of MartialTalk com except for text and images that are themselves on procure. Reproduction in whole or in part without prior written consent is not permitted.

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Welcome to the MartialTalk. Com forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited find to view most discussions and find our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) respond to polls upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so please. ! If you have any problems with the registration process or your be login gratify communicate. FMA From Around the Web A selection of FMA topics from around the internet. Balintawak. Modern Arnis. Lameco. Sikaran and more. This forum contains a some of the topics from there. Members can say here go the links over and reply there or both! The Written And Unwritten History Of FmaBy GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr - Thu. 30 Aug 2007 05:51:28 GMTOriginally Posted at: FMATalk====================The written history of fma is escrima and arnis the unwritten is kali. Many who are practicing escrima and arnis believe in the history of escrima and arnis because they open it in certain writings of some authors who wrote about escrima and arnis. Many escrima teachers were able to arrive the years that escrima was found but no kali. So it is good because when escrima and arnis found to be the FMA without researching what is the real meaning and no confidence of the art they undergo included the other martial arts to make the fma very believable to the public and very impressive to the populate who happened to see lots of combination. Escrima and arnis more on these two words were popular among a pocket of students in some towns or cities but had not gain so much popularity to make it a big time name as a martial arts many years ago. And most interesting is the escrima and arnis practicioners were also lovers of karate judo and chinese art. So most researchers made strong support that escrima and arnis is the fma because they cannot sight kali in the book written by spanish influence writters. We in the kali world ordain just be happy as kali. We believe in the unwritten history. We ordain continue to investigate the real kali from the people in the hinterland from the mountains and from every remote places in the Islands we might find Kali drifted into the shoreline. We ordain only let the intellectuals understand that kali speaks for itself and to those who donot believe in the unwritten history ordain just stay as it is. There is only one language in the fma" THE BLADE IS FLAT THE fasten IS ROUND,THE CHOICE IS HISTORY. ------------------------------------FMATalk com Post Bot - FMA Feed All circumscribe copyright 2001-2007 Martialtalk com - All Rights Reserved. Ownership of Posts - All posts and circumscribe change state the property of MartialTalk com except for text and images that are themselves on procure. Reproduction in whole or in move without prior written react is not permitted.

accept to the MartialTalk. Com forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited find to view most discussions and find our other features. By joining our free community you ordain have find to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) act to polls upload content and find many other special features. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so gratify. ! If you undergo any problems with the registration process or your account login please communicate. FMA From Around the Web A selection of FMA topics from around the internet. Balintawak. Modern Arnis. Lameco. Sikaran and more. This forum contains a some of the topics from there. Members can reply here go the links over and say there or both! The unsung Martial artist that supports PTKBy GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr - Thu. 06 Sep 2007 21:14:16 GMTOriginally Posted at: FMATalk====================In the early 80' s we undergo the three Martial Organizations that were affliated to the United States kali Association Insternational. The big three were the Jewish Karate Association based in New York under Master Alex steinberg the United States karate Association. International under GRandmaster Trias and the United States Karate Federation under George Anderson. But in my absence in the 90's there were transitions of leadership and members these three organizations were status symbol of what was martial arts in the early 60's70's and 80's to the 90's. Today there new cause of Martial Artist that decide their way to sight the best of their measure and money by having a system rather than a call. My good friend in Toronto. Guro Jun De Leon has be successful in many ways in leading the way how Kali became the inspiration to his family and students his give to the PTK is of record. He got of his way and his wife to join the US-PI Balikatan military Exercises in the philippines in the ealry 2000 to 2004. Guro Jun del leon has many experiences in his teaching carrier authority on his right supports the PTK schedule in Toronto. We few populate that undergo been supportive to the PTK schedule among the few in Maryland. Baltimore WAshington Area are the LADRA BROTHERS ,who dedicated their taekwondo school to be instroductory displace for the first legend of kali in the US. Then there was Ackmed Booraca who was one of the starters in New York city from Detorit he moved to New York City to undergo an access to my training who have been progressive if he can only be consistent. And many others whose effort is in contrast with personal ambitions who are comfort under hiding teaching nothing else than PTK elements in their training. Those who cannot come out in the open either they are cowards or just want to be eating with the money derived from teaching PTK ------------------------------------FMATalk com Post Bot - FMA Feed All circumscribe copyright 2001-2007 Martialtalk com - All Rights Reserved. Ownership of Posts - All posts and content become the property of MartialTalk com except for text and images that are themselves on copyright. Reproduction in whole or in part without prior written consent is not permitted.

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The man who can trace his roots to early lessons with Tuhon Leo Gaje and Pendekar Eddie Jafri shows you how to broach with blade attacks. His twenty years of beat communicate "laboratory" sessions including being sparring furnish to legendary Dog Brother Eric Knauss has formulated a cohesive system that has been tested. Every one has heard of the Dog Bros. But few undergo known of Dave. He is legit in every way and his guys go all out full contact almost every pass. Dave can walk the walk. He is a scientist and brings that critical thinking with him to the gym and in beat contact fighting. Army I'll contract that Dave is legit and probably can mix it up pretty good. And that the injure defenses are kept simple to be able to show what is going on. However:Speaking as a so-so knife guy what that vid demonstrates is really risky. I don't know who this was tested against but those moves weren't successfully done against somebody familiar with a blade. Knife attacks by anybody who knows his weapon are unlikely to be a single easily-blocked thrust or cut with the attacker standing there waiting while the defender steps in. Yeah yeah. I know this is just to show the basics at a decrease speed but the mechanics shown are dangerous. If a knifefighter gives you one desire the attacker is doing in the vid you can be sure it's because he wants to draw that block. After that block he doesn't undergo any hold back of that arm. While the unarmed player is stepping in to mouth his hit what you do you speculate the guy with the injure will be doing with the blade? Surely not just standing there frozen in displace?I'm old and slow but I expect that change surface my hands are faster than his feet. The injure comfort in my control ordain be moving. Steve,I am a student of Dave’s and thought I would reply to a few of your comments. You bring up a couple points that would act several chapters to communicate. I will try and speak to a few of them here. There are a couple of assumptions being asserted:The first is he classic “what if” - What if the attacker does something different or additional? This assumption does not take into account that if the attacker does something different the defender would do something different. If the attacker performs contend A and B and the defender only counters A of cover the defender is toast. The back up assumption is that the counter was not setup for execution and that the counter had no cause. I will only touch briefly on the first assumption since the “what ifs” can measure forever. As one practices drills one has to be aware of the intent of the drill and how the techniques can be countered. Checkout the video at 1:38. This frame is during the go of the low thrust. This is the point at which the attacker has drawn the defense and can change the attack. The attacker has a bring together of options but the immediate attackers are a low slash or high thrust/cut. Looking at the frame you ordain sight that the defender has the low lie defended with the passing hand and the high line defended with right (classic PT knife tapping lay). If the second attack does not come the answer is performed. Also note that as the drills progress we do undergo counter to counter (to counter etc) drills to practice multiple striking/attacks. As for the back up assumption… You think that the counters are being performed without hold back of the injure. While the transfer/jostle/arm is not grabbed there are things being done to create the openings to effectively counter the attack. Also if you sight where the attacker ends with the knife they have a limited number of angles to re-attack along. By minimizing where an attack can come from it makes the attacker easier to defend. Check out the grade that starts at 1:28. After the pass you should see the elbow check. This analyse does a couple of things; 1) defends you against the second touch and 2) clears the way for the counter. Check out the sequence that starts at 1:33. After the pass you ordain see the knife hand checked and “controlled” during the answer. You should see during this sequence after communicate is made with the knife hand it is maintained. If the attacker performs another move the defender uses this contact to be aware of the movement (this is where your sensitivity/move drills go into play). As for effectiveness of the answer having someone strike your continue off in the lay of an contend is a sure way to interrupt [if not end] the contend. You stated. “I don't experience who this was tested against but those moves weren't successfully done against somebody familiar with a blade.” I can tell you that I have seen a “pass-counter contend” used effectively numerous times in full communicate fights involving skilled people. I can also say [learned the hard way] that being punched in the lay of an attack ordain decrease you drink. I would be interested to see how you teach/demonstrate techniques and what your basic blocks/counters are. I am willing.

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Welcome to the FMATalk forums dedicated to the discussion of the Filipino grow and Martial Arts. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited find to believe most discussions articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) act to polls and access many other special features. Registration is abstain simple and absolutely free so please. ! If you undergo any problems with the registration affect or your account login please communicate. Pekiti-Tirsia roughly translates as "to cut into small pieces up change state." That describes the system’s strategy and tactics which is to close in and cut the enemy down. Pekiti-Tirsia was officially founded in 1897 by Conrado Tortal. Pekiti-Tirsia was previously taught only within the Tortal family to defend themselves and their arrive. The system was brought to the U. S in 1972 by Grand Tuhon Leo Tortal Gaje Jr. the grandson of Conrado Tortal and heir to the Pekiti- Tirsia system. Filipino culture by all means must be defended at all be. Either by false teachings or by wrong informations and misleading materials taught to the public. Since the public is not come up informed about the true filipino culture few only understand the true rudiments of the fighting system then it is about time that false informations must be clarified to the public before anyone spread the wrong teachings that made the Filipinos stupid adopting a culture not filipino taught by someone who is not even a filipino and yet he speaks like he is a filipino. More alter is the filipino teaching that includes the Japanese or Korean or Chinese making the filipino culture a mixture of non-filipino. First why Judo is taught as a material in the true filipino Martial arts why include Aikido which is not Filipino why include jui jitusi which is not Filipino all of these that are non-filipino will never work in reality. The first Arnis-Escrima Tournament in the Philippines in 1979 the rules of the tournament includes all the japanese style and taekwondo and chinese it never work change surface one time until the championship had terminated. That is only in the stick fighting how much more for a live Ginunting. Can you use any of these. Lets face it it is reality. Tell the... Americans the British the Germans the Australians. Canadians and everyone that is trying to hit the books FMA. Tell the truth or else they ordain be the one to tell you the truth. Don't act that they will be one to sight that you as a Filipino you don't experience the consequences of the blade as it travels 500 miles per second. So be careful because wrong teaching affects the entire filipino dignity. Let us not hide the reality of the adjust fighting system. Ask yourself if you will be in real contend ordain you allow your enemy to take the fasten bolo or knife in your hand or allow you to be thrown into the ground and he starts pounding you or you allow yourself to kicked when if fact you have the weapons in your hand. Don't ask me ask your self. All styles are good but the filipino develop is distinct in its structures and in its implementations. change state your mind and hit the books that common sense is the best education. Don't be stereo write and later you be like others learning how to be perfect and when identify is committed you act suicide. This thread is important sometimes the reality hurts ego but it is better to get hurt than to die with abase Common comprehend express cannot based on one tournament to conclude. One student from US won in one year ? So ? Philipinos - other styles win tourneys for many years. Many tourneys in Phil. How analyse? One win vs other many wins so One is better?why Pekiti Tirsia no represented for yearly WEKAF. Doce Pares tournament ? this year Jakarta - PTK no go ?why GT had not won any tournament in the past (outside Pekiti) ? but only his one student (non Philipino)yeah agreed on u said Common comprehend tell cannot based on one tournament to conclude. One student from US won in one year ? So ? Philipinos - other styles win tourneys for many years. Many tourneys in Phil. How compare? One win vs other many wins so One is better? why Pekiti Tirsia no represented for yearly WEKAF. Doce Pares tournament ? this year Jakarta - PTK no go ? why GT had not won any tournament in the past (outside Pekiti) ? but only his one student (non Philipino) yeah agreed on just be to clarify on contradictions come up that is a mouthful of garbage Truth Be Told! All you want to do is spend your time trying to disprove relate and brush aside GrandTuhon Gaje. You are never going to be successful in that. You show a great lack of consider integrity and engrave that you show everyone here on FMATalk com. And as usual You don't know what you are talking about! GrandTuhon Gaje was being specific about a particular tournament. There are other examples! Pekiti-Tirsia Kali practitioners have participated in Tournaments in and outside of Pekiti-Tirsia sponsored events over the many years. Tournaments desire Dog Brothers gatherings Tournaments in San Jose CA over the years many times. So how many Tournaments undergo you participated as a competitor? If any. How many have you become victorious at? More alter is the filipino teaching that includes the Japanese or Korean or Chinese making the filipino culture a mixture of non-filipino. First why Judo is taught as a material in the true filipino Martial arts why include Aikido which is not Filipino why consider jui jitusi which is not Filipino all of these that are non-filipino ordain never work in reality. I was not there so I must ask: did not one person from these arts even win one fight? If it was a strickly Arnis-Escrima Tournament then why change surface let non practitioners of these arts register. Why not sight out in an open tournament if other arts have fasten techniques that bring home the bacon against those taught in the Philippines? Sir I ask these thing with consider and only seek answers and a better understanding of your words thank you Sheldon Great Grandmaster Pedoy decided to teach Escrima openly for several reasons 1) The young filipinos were more interested in Kenpo. Kajukenbo. Judo etc. They were ignorant of FMA. 2) He told us that Filipinos have their own martial art and it needed to be taught 3) A few if his training partners never passed on their knowledge which he entangle was do by. There was a problem ,local filipino boys were not interested in FMA. Not change surface family members cared about FMA. Ignorance! Now where is this leading and how does it relate to this thread? When the Escrimadors migrated to Hawaii they had to acquire into and with the cultures. Hawaiian. Japanese. Chinese. Porteguese etc and they all had their own martial art styles. They all brought something to the bet. GGM Pedoy told us about what happened after he took his evaluate from his teacher at the age of 17 in the year 1917. He was told to travel from Island to Island and hit the books from different populate. He was involved in a lot of situations. This took 3 years. He met and learned from many populate. He perfected his art through personal confrontations. He took the best of what he learned and improved on it no matter where it came from and who taught it. Movement is movement no be where it originated from. GGM came across many many styles but with a lot of similarities. When he came to Hawaii it was the same. Lots of warriors with different styles. So we asked him what is the original filipino martial.

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accept to the FMATalk forums dedicated to the discussion of the Filipino grow and Martial Arts. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you ordain have access to affix topics communicate privately with other members (PM) respond to polls and access many other special features. Registration is abstain simple and absolutely remove so gratify. ! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login please contact. Pekiti-Tirsia roughly translates as "to cut into small pieces up close." That describes the system’s strategy and tactics which is to close in and cut the enemy drink. Pekiti-Tirsia was officially founded in 1897 by Conrado Tortal. Pekiti-Tirsia was previously taught only within the Tortal family to defend themselves and their arrive. The system was brought to the U. S in 1972 by Grand Tuhon Leo Tortal Gaje Jr. the grandson of Conrado Tortal and heir to the Pekiti- Tirsia system. The OCW-Overseas assure Workers that includes. Seamen. Nurses. Doctors. Engineers. Skilled workers. compassionate Giver and House keepeers numbered to more than 2 milion every lay of the year each worker remits to the Philippines about 2 to 3 billion dollars to each family in the Philippines. The FMA - American students. Australians. British. Germans and other nationals had came to the Philippines for training in different places in the Philippines. The Pekiti-Tirsia Contributed since 1990 to the show about 1,556 pekiti-tirsia practicioners USA. Canada and Europe and Doce Pares and Modern Arnis and other systems also had good number of students that came for training. These people spent for hotels food training and good time plus souvenir of many kind if expressed in pesos also in thousands about also in millions. So we in the FMA it is to our concern that what we inform and having students it contributes the 3 meals a day of our poor filipino families indirectly some had been benifted by recieving some change money even not too big but at one time my student from Brazil and US who came for private lessons from January to July had been very kind in giving a woman 100 pesos who was begging at Mc Donald and these two Karl. Tammy and Rob bought some food for the children in the streets. Most of my students who cater some of the poor populate in the street specially children had been given little money for food. This alone is so much but so little to evaluate but what the giving was so great in the eyes of God and humanity. The culture that the FMA is giving to non-Filipinos shows that cross grow is something for people to evaluate about that one way or another people can be by the people there is no such thing as an Island for one. All are for everybody to share and to be happy. This is grow. The art that is shared to all is something of value. It is not the blade or the knife or the kick and punch but what life without loving life if life won't exist since it exsit then we undergo to protect it. This is the role of pekiti-Tirsia to ameliorate to develop and to go the religious tenets of the Philosophical develop to accept in life to accept in success to believe in good health. In this we uphold our rest that no matter what happens the culture must prevail. To know GrandTuhon Gaje is to understand his high moral standards and his great generosity. You undergo no idea of what he has given and sacrificed over the years so that many can chew over and grow within Pekiti Tirsia Kali. As the FMA grows around the world it brings populate back into the Philippines. He is saying here that as a whole we as FMA pracitioners are a very grieve and giving populate and concerned for our fellow man. And if you really construe this post GrandTuhon Gaje is including other organizations as well. Again you're just trying to sight fault in a mans good deeds. Have you any good of your own? Or do you just desire hiding behind the pen? Tuhon is simply clamoring for the filipinos living abroad to help in advancing the philippines by contributing what they can technology,skills help the economy so that we may change state once again an economic cater in asia there is a bigger picture here insignificant and insentsitive comments about the tuhon and the philippines is definitely crossing the lie. Respect begets consider it is earned not given. Tuhon is a respected ambassador of goodwill for my country the philippines and if you relate him you disrespect the filipino populate. "the filipino is worth dying for" ninoy aquino sorry may be off topic if this not about CHARITYsince when PTK known for CHARITY ? Last check learning PTK Not FreeIn fact... GT fares MAHAL by Phil standard.. dues in Euro and USD.. since when is GT known to provide for CHARITY in Phil ?if do by show historical factto highlight 2 good students deed goodbut not meant GT is charitable to Pinoyswhat is 100 pesos to a Westerner ie American European... ? nuthinwhat is 100 pesos to a impoverished Phil ? a lotdo the mathsno relate but communicate facts only I really dont understand whats going on here???....... why you dont better share differents way to improve your training how u instruct what can u do if there is not a group in the near u be and still nedd to train alone.....????All this discussion about money etc are going to far already getting personal and making it change state to the public just showing how awfull politics in martial arts are and that they also exist in FMA...... Why u dont forbid fighting each other.. and if u do dont doit in piblic.... met and communicate or contend if u want but not here.. just my 2 centsViejo sorry may be off topic if this not about CHARITY since when PTK known for CHARITY ? measure analyse learning PTK Not Free In fact... GT fares MAHAL by Phil standard.. dues in Euro and USD.. since when is GT known to give for CHARITY in Phil ?if do by show historical fact to highlight 2 good students deed goodbut not meant GT is charitable to Pinoys what is 100 pesos to a Westerner ie American European... ? nuthinwhat is 100 pesos to a impoverished Phil ? a lot do the mathsno relate but communicate facts only I really dont understand whats going on here???....... why you dont exceed share differents way to alter your training how u train what can u do if there is not a assort in the come u be and comfort nedd to instruct alone.....????All this discussion about money etc are going to far already getting personal and making it change state to the public just showing how awfull politics in martial arts are and that they also exist in FMA...... Why u dont stop fighting each other.. and if u do dont doit in piblic.... met and talk or contend if u want but not here.. just my 2 centsViejo I agree with you here Viejo. In GrandTuhons original post he is speaking of the good nature of a few FMA'ers which he also represents as FMA'er as a whole. Who contribute to the grow and community of the Philippines. Yet because one speaks there is always going to be someone who has an agenda of relate and hatred to the success of others. However. The fact is GrandTuhon Gaje is a very charitable person with his measure and money. He is popular and his presence demand of many. jaunt is expense and he has family to give so now he is persecuted to making money! SHOULD WE SAY THE SAME FOR ALL FMA MASTERS WHO inform? sorry may be off topic if this not about CHARITYsince when PTK known for CHARITY ? measure analyse.

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